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	<title>Comments on: Wanted &#8211; The Business Case For Social Media</title>
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		<title>By: Nicky</title>
		<link>http://nickyjameson.com/2008/10/31/wanted-the-business-case-for-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1048</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave Radetsky: Dave, this is a great comment. I am going to use it as one of my next blog posts. You raise some excellent points that I think shouldn&#039;t be buried in a comment on an older post. The interesting thing (and maybe scary) thing is that i find myself agreeing with you on several things you&#039;ve raised - and no I wasn&#039;t answering my questions I wanted other people to drop in their thoughts. I don&#039;t know about people wanting to avoid sales... that&#039;s a really interesting idea I hadn&#039;t even thought of. I agree wholeheartedly that sales is the way that money is made - not social media, which is simply a tool. As for quantifying the benefits of social media given the time expended on it....and to the bottom line... the 64 million dollar question hasn&#039;t been answered yet. Anyway, I thiink I will muse over your comment and discuss in a blog post. Thank you for commenting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave Radetsky: Dave, this is a great comment. I am going to use it as one of my next blog posts. You raise some excellent points that I think shouldn&#8217;t be buried in a comment on an older post. The interesting thing (and maybe scary) thing is that i find myself agreeing with you on several things you&#8217;ve raised &#8211; and no I wasn&#8217;t answering my questions I wanted other people to drop in their thoughts. I don&#8217;t know about people wanting to avoid sales&#8230; that&#8217;s a really interesting idea I hadn&#8217;t even thought of. I agree wholeheartedly that sales is the way that money is made &#8211; not social media, which is simply a tool. As for quantifying the benefits of social media given the time expended on it&#8230;.and to the bottom line&#8230; the 64 million dollar question hasn&#8217;t been answered yet. Anyway, I thiink I will muse over your comment and discuss in a blog post. Thank you for commenting!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Radetsky</title>
		<link>http://nickyjameson.com/2008/10/31/wanted-the-business-case-for-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-1047</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Radetsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicky,
While this is an old post of yours, I just stumbled across it today. I think you&#039;re asking some good questions but unless I need to be able to read between the lines, I don&#039;t think you&#039;re giving any answer to the question(s) you&#039;ve raised.

The fact is that no one that I&#039;ve seen (and I&#039;ve been a business management consultant with over 30 years experience working with everything from entrepreneurs to top Fortune 500 companies) has ever been able to quantify the real benefit of social media for business.  Yes, there&#039;s this idea that people communicate differently with companies today, but still there&#039;s no real proof that I&#039;ve ever seen from anyone that it has much positive impact on the bottom line for companies.

In reality it appears that most companies use it becauses they don&#039;t want to deal with the real issue of sales.  They want to try every angle at marketing they can and avoid sales, which is the real way money is made in companies.  

In addition, the time that has to be invested in social media by companies equates to a lot of man hours and cost to a company.  Unlike other forms of marketing that are long established, there is no real record to show as proof that companies make money.  An old fashioned marketing plan with advertising can tell a company that if they invest $10,000 they can expect an average of $______ return for that type of investment.

Ultimately social media may have a place in business, but it appears that it will be smaller than many today think it is.  Once the newness wears off in a few years my guess is that it will not be seen as important as people are promoting it to be today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicky,<br />
While this is an old post of yours, I just stumbled across it today. I think you&#8217;re asking some good questions but unless I need to be able to read between the lines, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re giving any answer to the question(s) you&#8217;ve raised.</p>
<p>The fact is that no one that I&#8217;ve seen (and I&#8217;ve been a business management consultant with over 30 years experience working with everything from entrepreneurs to top Fortune 500 companies) has ever been able to quantify the real benefit of social media for business.  Yes, there&#8217;s this idea that people communicate differently with companies today, but still there&#8217;s no real proof that I&#8217;ve ever seen from anyone that it has much positive impact on the bottom line for companies.</p>
<p>In reality it appears that most companies use it becauses they don&#8217;t want to deal with the real issue of sales.  They want to try every angle at marketing they can and avoid sales, which is the real way money is made in companies.  </p>
<p>In addition, the time that has to be invested in social media by companies equates to a lot of man hours and cost to a company.  Unlike other forms of marketing that are long established, there is no real record to show as proof that companies make money.  An old fashioned marketing plan with advertising can tell a company that if they invest $10,000 they can expect an average of $______ return for that type of investment.</p>
<p>Ultimately social media may have a place in business, but it appears that it will be smaller than many today think it is.  Once the newness wears off in a few years my guess is that it will not be seen as important as people are promoting it to be today.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicky</title>
		<link>http://nickyjameson.com/2008/10/31/wanted-the-business-case-for-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-295</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 20:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Michele - thanks for commenting. I think you have a good point about the integration of sites and blogs. The vast majority of sites are, as you say not much more than static brochures, whereas social media demands more interaction and above all a focus on the customer.  How can a blog help? I go into some detail on my other post called &quot;Why you should Separate your website and your blog&quot; as well as the follow-up post. When I visit sites these days I generally expect to see a link to a blog, even if it&#039;s very different from the website. And even if there isn&#039;t a lot in the way of interaction the fact that it&#039;s possible says a lot.

However when it comes to making a business case I find this needs to focus on what the company is trying to do (objectives) and then showing the business how these could be achieved through a range of different approaches and tools. The toughest part can be removing pre-conceived ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Michele &#8211; thanks for commenting. I think you have a good point about the integration of sites and blogs. The vast majority of sites are, as you say not much more than static brochures, whereas social media demands more interaction and above all a focus on the customer.  How can a blog help? I go into some detail on my other post called &#8220;Why you should Separate your website and your blog&#8221; as well as the follow-up post. When I visit sites these days I generally expect to see a link to a blog, even if it&#8217;s very different from the website. And even if there isn&#8217;t a lot in the way of interaction the fact that it&#8217;s possible says a lot.</p>
<p>However when it comes to making a business case I find this needs to focus on what the company is trying to do (objectives) and then showing the business how these could be achieved through a range of different approaches and tools. The toughest part can be removing pre-conceived ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
		<link>http://nickyjameson.com/2008/10/31/wanted-the-business-case-for-social-media/comment-page-1/#comment-288</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicky:  great blog.  I agree and yet I don&#039;t agree.  I have to think that it may be as much about style of writing, business type, and yes, overall approach of a website.  Not being able to have your blog integrated on your site in some ways says a lot about where we have taken our sites: sales oriented, stodgy, strictly a brochure, narcissistic.  Your point of, how to create interactive experiences and exchanges is important.  I&#039;m trying for the right balance, but don&#039;t know that I&#039;m there yet.  I&#039;ve also been considering a separate space for more conversational pieces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicky:  great blog.  I agree and yet I don&#8217;t agree.  I have to think that it may be as much about style of writing, business type, and yes, overall approach of a website.  Not being able to have your blog integrated on your site in some ways says a lot about where we have taken our sites: sales oriented, stodgy, strictly a brochure, narcissistic.  Your point of, how to create interactive experiences and exchanges is important.  I&#8217;m trying for the right balance, but don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;m there yet.  I&#8217;ve also been considering a separate space for more conversational pieces.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 22:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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